Halp new pc plz

[lugsy]

http://www.tigerdirect.ca/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=5631349&csid=ITD&body=MAIN

http://www.tigerdirect.ca/applications/searchtools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=5750049&pagenumber=1&RSort=1&csid=ITD&recordsPerPage=5&body=

Any ideas? or if you can find something similar. I don't really trust myself installing a mobo. I want to run BFBC2 good :< I hear bad things about the geforce 220 though.


Added for effect: I'm in Canada, I can't get anything from US sites

[StarYoshi]

Do not pay that much for a PC with a GT 220. I'll find something pre-built and post it... I might make you buy the graphics card separately :D

Also, Canada eh? :)

[lugsy]

the second link is a barebones kit where I could get a video card with it... is it no good though either?

The big thing that attracted me to those, is they should be able to take the ram I just bought into them. So I don't really lose money.
http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820231119
have 4 gb of that.. so :O

[lugsy]

come on yoshi/anyone else :D.. faster I get a good buy, sooner I can buy it.. which means sooner I get it @.@;.. been pcless for over a weeknow. Just make sure it's from Canadian online sites, or stores that are in Canada please :D.

[Freaky_Angelus]

Budget and desires on the pc..

Gaming (obvious) but what else?

Monitor, keyboard other side stuff? OS was W7 right? 64 right?

[Fenrir]

Bundles are crap, build your own.

You'll save money/get a better computer/learn more that way. I'll see if I can post some suggestions for parts when I get time, but my current build is the first I've done from scratch, so I'm not a super-guru like some people 'round these parts.

[Clone]

well with barebones you're going to build it yourself anyway.


So you could play around with http://www.ibuypower.com or http://www.cyberpowerpc.com/ to get something in your price range if you dont want to build it yourself.



Or if you wnat that experiance newegg now has build it yourself pc kits in which they have an assortment of stuff put together already and you to build to eliminate hassle of finding the correct mobo for the type of ram and CPU you want.

http://www.newegg.com/Store/MasterComboStore.aspx?StoreID=7&name=DIY-PC-Combos&cm_sp=Homepage_Pillar_Rt-_-BuildYourOwn020410-_-http%3a%2f%2fpromotions.newegg.com%2fhomepage%2fpillar%2fBuildYourOwn020410.jpg

----And if setting up a mobo scares you, you should know it's not that hard. The manual is usually easy to understand (when it's in english), and the parts just sor of fit so it hard to get it wrong.

(Unless you're like one of my classmates form harware whom is having problem putting in the ram so you shove it in, turn the computer on to have smoke fill the room. And then when cheacked turns out the ram was upside down. So as long as you don't put the ram upside down: you're good.)



what I am looking at to get pretty soon:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813138186

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814127490

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817182101

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819115215

----well thats the core components (minus the harddrive---and case)

Total for those is: $554.96

[Zero Hour]

You still haven't told us what your budget was for this system. That helps. I remember last time we talked you wanted to break the bank and do a $1000 (ish) pc, does that still apply? Putting together means you get better performance out of the price, you don't "save" money. And performance is good, so if you can build on your own do it.

Second, what parts do you have already?

What you need:
cpu
mobo
ram (check for you)
video card
case
power supply
hard drive(s)
dvd drive
monitor

Not bad choice Clone, but I wouldn't use that motherboard. They typically haven't been making good H55 boards and they have far weaker bios. Gigabyte is probably making the best boards out right now and they're not much more. I also think the 5850 is way worth it over the 5770 :).

[Fenrir]

Clone, that's the mobo I picked up on combo with an i3.
It's working pretty well (and I'm WAAAYYY happier with it as opposed to my four year old $50 mobo...) so far, but I definitely would have sprung for a better mobo and an i5 if I didn't need that second monitor.

[lugsy]

You still haven't told us what your budget was for this system. That helps. I remember last time we talked you wanted to break the bank and do a $1000 (ish) pc, does that still apply? Putting together means you get better performance out of the price, you don't "save" money. And performance is good, so if you can build on your own do it.

Second, what parts do you have already?

What you need:
cpu
mobo
ram (check for you)
video card
case
power supply
hard drive(s)
dvd drive
monitor

Not bad choice Clone, but I wouldn't use that motherboard. They typically haven't been making good H55 boards and they have far weaker bios. Gigabyte is probably making the best boards out right now and they're not much more. I also think the 5850 is way worth it over the 5770 :).




probably in the $900 ish range.
Thinking I can use my harddrive (250gb and it never even got close to half full), Could use my case, but it's horrible for dust/ventilation. Don't need a monitor.
My cpu could be used.. but would feel better with a motherboard+ cpu combo most likely. looking at things now, but keep up with the help :D

[lugsy]

Been looking at some peices.. any comments welcome :D especially if it's something like "those wont work together" lol.
First up a cpu/mother board combo.
http://www.tigerdirect.ca/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=6049713&csid=ITD&body=MAIN#detailspecs
Why it looks good for me (doesn't mean much, I know lmao)
DDR2 ram, 4 slots so it can handle the 4 gbs I have + can still upgrade. Processor is quad core and close to 3 Ghz (that's all I know what to look at :<)
My only worries with it is that it's kinda cheap.. but putting that down as it's a AMD. (I realize I'll have to get a fan/heatsink thing too, yeah?)

Cases (I don't really know if 1. I should buy one 2. what to look for ):
http://www.tigerdirect.ca/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=4540656&Sku=A406-1117
http://www.tigerdirect.ca/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=5682492&CatId=1509 (this one looks real promising.. but what do I know?)

PSU:
http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817341022
http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817139005
http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817341019
I don't know anything about PSU's besides watt's and that Zero told me Corsair is reliable :<
And that's all I've been able to look at so far without steady access to a pc.

[TaNNanT]

I found this at tigerdirect.ca
http://www.tigerdirect.ca/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=6046472&CatId=332

The motherboard take DDR3 memory, so your good there. The CPU is a quadcore @ 2.9GHz.

Now the only thing you would need with this system is Heatsink & fan and a good video card. The Powersupply is @ 600 watt.

you can always check at NCIX.ca (http://www.ncix.com/index.php)the shipping is cheaper than tigerdirect.

Question: Are U ever going to go into SLI video card, if so, you will need a motherboard with SLI enable. Meaning you will need to PCI-Express slot on the motherboard

[lugsy]

I don't believe I'll be SLIing until I win the lottery xD.
But the ram I'm looking for on the board is DDR2, not 3 so I can use the $110 4gb's I just bought before my pc died.

[Zero Hour]

Use canadacomputers.com and newegg.ca for stuff. Unless you can actually go into a TD there is no point in even getting from them. I haven't bought anything from them in a long time actually.

Lugsy, will get you a better spec reply later today/tomorrow. You don't seem to be brand loyal, so that makes it easier :P. PC Power and Cooling, OCZ and Corsair are my fav PSU makers. If you can, try to get the case locally as shipping/handling is pretty damn steep on them.

[Freaky_Angelus]

DDR2 that you want to re-use and 900 max on budget..
HDD is already present

Problem is that I can suggest a very fine board to go with the memory, the Asus Rampage Formula X48, but it's out of stock in all your sites..

For 900 you could almost get a new pc with an i5 750 and HD 5770 and DDR3 memory as we had discussed in a different thread, so.. You really want to keep the memory?

Also.. what PSU do you have? If you got a decent to good one, that saves another $100,- ;)

[lugsy]

I have a 450 watt power supply, but I think it's rubbish, fan hasn't been running passed few times I looked in it I believe.
And Zero my ram from Newegg.ca still shipped from the states.. so @.@;
I'd /really like to/ keep that memory.. basically cuz I JUST spent $110 on it (it hasn't been used yet, got it just after my pc died) obviously if the price is ok I could look around it if the Mobo came with ddr3 ram or something along those lines.. then just give the ram to my girlfriend or something, since I don't think I can send it back.

[Clone]

here's a case for you: http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811144248




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---lol jk

what you need to look for cases is how many fans can you put in it (# of fan ports), how big can they be (80mm, 120 mm, 140mm, 200mm, etc.), and how many does it have already.

Also the size, do you want a huge g-card? then you'll need to go to a full tower which is in the sizes of ~20"-22"L 9+"w 20-22"h
this will usually get you many fans already (usually has a couple of 140s or 220s), but will also cost a lot more $$

Then there are mid-towers which are the smaller but sizes cannot be really put down because they very so much due to them being more popular because of the smallest size.

For my build I already bought the HAF 922 by Cooler Master because it's a mid-tower but is wide as a full tower allowing the bigger g-card.

http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811119197


----I bought it early because it was on sale for $89.00.

[Cosmic_Shame]

half 932 has big ass fans on it i think it has 3 240mm fans, Coolermaster is the king of cases

http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811119160&cm_re=haf_932-_-11-119-160-_-Product

[lugsy]

Need help for the stuff in the pc too D:.

[Cosmic_Shame]

Need help for the stuff in the pc too D:.

found dis combo on New Egg
http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboBundleDetails.aspx?ItemList=Combo.361314

then just pick out whatever GPU want, id say go with a CrossfireX card with 5850 cuz its suhweeet

[lugsy]

looks cool (from what I know) cept it's ddr3 (which I can live with) and
"Newegg.com cannot guarantee the compatibility of Combo items. Please contact the manufacturer(s) directly if you have issues or concerns regarding compatibility." but that would be like 600$ with shipping and such, leaving ~300ish for a gpu (that's the only other thing I'd need, right?)

[Cosmic_Shame]

yeah, i found this one http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814125318&cm_re=5850-_-14-125-318-_-Product

has a double fan

this one comes with cock a dookie modern gay fuck stupid 2 :)
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814102885&cm_re=5850-_-14-102-885-_-Product

and dis is the one i got
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814131351&cm_re=5850-_-14-131-351-_-Product
and its go free shipping

[lugsy]

Yeah Cosmic.. I liked that set up you posted.. but yeah Ima say it again.. I'm in Canada EH. It wont let me order from newegg.com and the .ca doesn't have that. Which is stupid, since my ram from newegg.ca shipped from the states anyways.

[Cosmic_Shame]

oh shit ur a canuk sorry, did not know dat hmm let me see
http://www.newegg.ca/Product/ComboBundleDetails.aspx?ItemList=Combo.361330

not the same deal but close a bit more expensive, u can swap the parts out u just wont get the saving

[Clone]

http://www.newegg.ca/Store/MasterComboStore.aspx?StoreID=8&name=DIY-PC-Combos&cm_sp=Homepage_Pillar_Rt-_-BuildYourOwn020410-_-http%3a%2f%2fpromotions.newegg.ca%2fhomepage%2fpillar%2fBuildYourOwn020410.jpg


just look there you find some you like and we'll tell you whats best for the money

----yes that is the .ca

[Cosmic_Shame]

http://www.newegg.ca/Product/ComboBundleDetails.aspx?ItemList=Combo.361318

dats a good combo there lugsy, then buy urself a 5850 :)

[Freaky_Angelus]

Frak.. I gotta agree with Cosmic.. add a 5850 and that is a fine deal.

[lugsy]

cept adding a 5850 to that would most likely break 1k before tax/shipping.
Natron put this list together for me, any last thoughts?

*insert no name hdd that's good enough for me* $50
*insert no name dvd drive that's good enough for me* $30
Amd Phenom II x4 965 3.4 ghz $183
G. Skill ddr3 ram 2x2gb $112
Corsair 650 watt Psu $110
Powercolor 1gb 5770 $153
GIGABYTE GA-770T-USB3 AM3 AMD 770 USB 3.0 ATX AMD Motherboard - Retail $99
COOLER MASTER Elite RC-310-BWN1-GP Black Steel / Plastic ATX Mid Tower Computer Case - Retail $45
For a grand total of $931.24 with Tax and shipping included.
All ready all priced and in my cart on Newegg.ca

[Zero Hour]

Looks pretty sweet dude.

I'd say save a bit of money and got for the X4 955 BE (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819103674). Save yourself about $25 and put that toward the 5850. If you want more speed that baby is made for OC'ing.

I would also go for the Antec 620W (http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817371031), as it's 80PLUS certified and $30 cheaper. Edit: There is an MIR on that corsair, so I don't know if you want to deal with them or not, but either would be a good choice.

HDD: WD black, and once ssd prices drop one of them :)
DVD: Heard good things about that asus one.

[lugsy]

but the 5850 is almost double the price.. so $25 wouldn't help that much.. ? xD and I don't think I'd be doing much Ocing.

[Cosmic_Shame]

http://www.newegg.ca/Product/ComboBundleDetails.aspx?ItemList=Combo.361318

dats a good combo there lugsy, then buy urself a 5850 :)

yeah but then u can do minus the 5850 and get like a 5770 or something else, u dont need that powerful of a card, its just nice, the one that freaky ahs i think is the 5770 and he can run BFBC2 with ease

yeah but then u can do minus the 5850 and get like a 5770 or something else, u dont need that powerful of a card, its just nice, the one that freaky ahs i think is the 5770 and he can run BFBC2 with ease

[Cosmic_Shame]

GPU u can always upgrade buddy, id go with the i5 over the phenom just because its alot better ATM, go with whats best, dont settle for something behind

but thats my opinion, and thats before all the AMD people get on my ass, its an opinion

[Zero Hour]

yea, 5770 will be awesome if you can't spring for the 5850. I'd probably still save the money and get the 955BE. $25 is a case of beer man!

[Clone]

What you have is good with the AMD but id go with that build it yourself kit Cosmic found. A 5770 on that will only put you at ~$830. That case it comes with is kickass too. 5 120mm fans for the small size = HUGE airflow.

[Freaky_Angelus]

HD 5770 runs BBC2 fine at 1680x1050 with only some options removed..

But, the 955 and 965 are both insane on OC. if you don't do that then despite awesome cpu's I'd reconsider a i5 setup..

However, the config as posted from natron is sweet! You can always start OC'ing later and the setup allows a GPU upgrade in 1~2 years.. You won't run things maxed out, but darn close to it ;)

[lugsy]

Thanks guys, any foreseeable compatibility issues?
well sucks that the 5770 I was looking at went outta stock, so I have to pay an extra $30 for a diff maker's 5770. :<
relooked through the site (I only said it went outta stock because it got removed from my shopping cart with a note about that). But looking through the site, found the same card for like.. 3$ more and it comes with Dirt 2 --;.. lol

[Freaky_Angelus]

yes...

your pc can do better if you deliver it at my house :P

no, should work fine with W7 32 and 64 bit.. for the mem go 64 bit, but for the rest it is fine..

Do remember that playing games at maxed out resolutions and settings even the 5770 is just a mid range card, despite getting very close so.. You'll enjoy it.

i.a. Stew needs to post another OC guid for your cpu :P the one form i3~7 got a friend of mine (without previous knowledge or experience) to a stable 3.8 on a i7 920.. You might want that too.. the 965 can easily do 4 at stock cooler.

[Cosmic_Shame]

dis is the one freaky has i believe
http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814102868&cm_re=5770-_-14-102-868-_-Product

but i found this its between the 5770 and the 5850
THe 5830
http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814150481&cm_re=5830-_-14-150-481-_-Product

i didnt even know the 5830 was even around

[Freaky_Angelus]

Found these items all together for under 900 dollars on newegg.ca..

Missing a case, hdd and dvdrom..

Assuming you have those three and unless you care for fancy colors this would be enough.. btw.. mem is on the QVL so will work ;)

[Zero Hour]

Except that's in $USD Freaky :(. I agree that i5 is great, but if he wants to be under $900 he's better off with the AMD 955BE route. Moving toward i5 just kicks up the price of ram/mobo way too much. There are no cheap/good i5 boards.

Make sure you buy the retail CPU so you get the cooler, Cosmic's post just reminded me to tell you. 5830 is priced very wrong, the 4890 is cheaper and faster.

[Clone]

Except that's in $USD Freaky :(. I agree that i5 is great, but if he wants to be under $900 he's better off with the AMD 955BE route. Moving toward i5 just kicks up the price of ram/mobo way too much. There are no cheap/good i5 boards.

Make sure you buy the retail CPU so you get the cooler, Cosmic's post just reminded me to tell you. 5830 is priced very wrong, the 4890 is cheaper and faster.

http://media.bestofmicro.com/W/L/239637/original/3DMark.png

http://media.bestofmicro.com/W/Q/239642/original/Crysis%201920.png




Yes, the 4890 is just as good when it comes to benchmark (or close anyways), but direct-x 11: it doesn't have.
However, with that said 5830 is $75-$100 more than the 5770. I wish they made a 5790 :(

[Zero Hour]

Yes, the 4890 is just as good when it comes to benchmark (or close anyways), but direct-x 11: it doesn't have.
However, with that said 5830 is $75-$100 more than the 5770. I wish they made a 5790 :(Exactly! If the 5830 was $50 more than the 5770, then that card would be sweet and probably fit a lot of people's builds.

[Clone]

Exactly! If the 5830 was $50 more than the 5770, then that card would be sweet and probably fit a lot of people's builds.

exactly what i meant with the 5790, a $200-$215 card that has somewhere between those down | there.
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5830
* 800 Stream Processing Units
* 40 Texture Units
* 64 Z/Stencil ROP Units
* 16 Color ROP Units


5770
TeraScale 2 Unified Processing Architecture

* 400 Stream Processing Units
* 20 Texture Units
* 32 Z/Stencil ROP Units
* 8 Color ROP Units


Maybe

* 400 stream
* 40 texture
* 32 Z/Stencil ROP Units
* 16 color ROP unist

(just something like that anyways so you can get the best of both worlds and have an "upper mid- lower enthusiast" card. (that's the jargon right? :wondering:)

[Freaky_Angelus]

Uhm... 5770 has 400 SPU's????? pretty sure as I had to do a bios update on my sapphire to get the 800 spu's working :P

For as $ USD.. if I got to newegg.ca I do not expect USD to show up.. I did that combo on .ca ;)

still I disagree on your comment.. i5 mobo == i7 mobo so you go for a i7 mobo with proper setup.. adding DDR3 1600 mem in it (6gb in total btw) makes the entire deal pretty interesting. The i5 750 is prob the best around so all in all, assuming using .ca was meaning frakking luneys, the deal was pretty ok.

For as the 5830.. It is a terrible card, prob the worst attempt by ATI in the past 2 years. They made a card to be between the 5770 and the 5850 that is striped down, then oc'd and over voltaged (ov'd?) to get it between both cards.. The 5830 is using more power then needed to perform as 'desired' while still being under the 5850... The 5850 can be OC'd to perform close to the 5870 (it can get 31% OC performance) while the 5830 has no strech at all..

You want a proper card? 5770 or 5850.. simple.. The 5850 is the best card for the looney or dollar, however.. not all have the budget.

For as the 955 BE.. no.. That cpu is just not as good and using that mobo with it will not allow an upgrade in the future.. When using an i5 750 you are not just better (http://www.anandtech.com/bench/Product/88?vs=109) then a 955 but also have the option to later upgrade to a better i7 in the future.